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hey this is bryant arnold also known as

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dragon from skinwalker ranch and you're

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast i've been very lucky in the time

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doing the podcast to speak to many of

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the cast and stars scientists of uh the

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skinwalker run show it's the secret skin

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walker ranch or cursive skin walker

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ranch depending on the us or uk i've

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spoken to thomas winterton brian arnold

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and brandon fuego i am delighted to be

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joined by a gentleman with a 20-year

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career supporting nasa at the us army

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space and missile defense command a

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published author among many many other

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academic achievements and one of the

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stars of numerous documentaries most

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notably of course history channels the

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secret of skinwalker ranch travis taylor

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joins me on the podcast travis how are

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you i'm doing all right how are you i'm

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very well very glad to be speaking to

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yourself finally three years into the

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skinwalker run show um like i say it's

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been been three years for you now what's

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that journey been like for you from then

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to now

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interesting because when i first went

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out there

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uh more than three years ago now um

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yeah i was gonna like scooby doo the

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thing and find old man withers was

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wasn't all the problems um

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but uh then within just a matter of

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minutes from my first time being there

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uh weird stuff started happening that i

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couldn't explain uh and i never have yet

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found old man withers who is causing the

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problem right

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uh it is something that's uh bizarre and

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real and my current

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uh understanding of it is not a lot

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better than it was um

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you know before i went out there uh

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except that i know now that it is some

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sort of real phenomena or maybe multiple

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phenomena occurring that needs a lot

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more investigation how much did you know

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already about the ranch before you went

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on you set foot on it

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well you know i had heard it i heard

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about it on uh like uh coast to coast

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uh and other things and before i went

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out there um i got uh calm kelleher's

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book and read through it in in great

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detail and i spoke with george knapsom

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stories right it sounds like stuff you

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would tell around a campfire to scare

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the younger kids

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but then when you get out there and you

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realize

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while their experience may have sounded

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uh different from the stories

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my experience isn't a lot

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less confusing and perplexing

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now you joined the ranch team when they

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had already been there for around three

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years prior 2016 their investigation

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started under the

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stewardship of brandon fugo what was it

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like getting involved with thomas dragon

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eric and cole who had already been there

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working together joining the team can a

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few years into their work as a skeptic

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yeah uh at first they uh they weren't

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sure what to think about me um

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coming in and uh looking at what they

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had done and and

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and sort of telling them that i wasn't a

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big believer you know and they just kind

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of all smirked and said just give it

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time

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and you will be

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and that's kind of where uh where it

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ended up but uh but we got along

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very good just really quickly

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and uh started uh digging into the

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investigation and and they all uh

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accepted me as part of the team and

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since then we've uh really

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kind of been in the same foxhole

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together for the last three years or so

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and those first seasons we are

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introduced to the ranch the history of

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the ranch the team and we start to see

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those initial scientific investigations

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now several years down the line the

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technology has improved what are the

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challenges that you face individually

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and as a group to keep progressing those

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investigations

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yeah the biggest thing is

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while we do our best try and stimulate

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something to happen everything seems

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sort of random serendipitous

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happenstance and we'll try one thing

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that works one day and try it again

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another day and something different will

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happen so it's real hard to be

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repeatable from a scientific standpoint

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some uh some of the limits of some of

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the uh lower cost technologies that

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we've been using and we really are at a

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point where we've got to kind of step up

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the game and go to some uh more

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expensive more more complex systems

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and uh i think we also have to be more

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aggressive

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in the uh investigation you know we

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how are we gonna find out what's

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underneath the mesa if we don't dig into

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the mesa we've pretty much exhausted

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ground penetrating radar and

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seismophones and everything else

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is that a big frustration for yourself

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because we've seen several episodes

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titled you know bad things happen when

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you dig we've heard of the injuries

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thomas winterton received and others

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when digging has happened on the ranch

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do you have that scientific you know

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drive that let's just dig let's just see

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what happens let's let's poke the

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hornet's nest

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yeah well that's the first thing i told

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the guys the first day i met them if

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they're telling me that things happen

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when you digs don't dig that's a big

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blinking flashing light neon sign that

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says well we need to dig and we need to

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dig a lot uh to see if we can measure

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the phenomena that's going on

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it's really weird that

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anytime we've done any significant

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digging

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with a bulldozer or a

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backhoe or even drilling

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for some reason we have a lot of

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technical malfunctions and issues with

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the equipment

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a big thing is the batteries get zapped

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like almost instantly we we had a

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bulldozer out there one day and we had

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to change the batteries on it uh like

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three or four times

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and that's one of the things we've seen

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with trucks with tractors with

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everything uh but now you think about it

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this is a farm right it's it's a ranch

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and they had to dig post holes they had

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to you know dig pipelines to run their

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wire their plumbing

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so digging happens the question is

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why are you digging and does does is

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there really an effect because you have

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an intent to dig to find something as

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opposed to just you know uh

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infrastructure building

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and the three seasons that we've seen so

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far there's been a lot of experiments

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shown on camera

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what are some of your your favorite

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experiments you've done so far and are

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there any that was not seen on camera

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that you would like to talk about

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well uh there's some that are still

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coming up that i don't want to spoil for

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anybody but and they were really

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last summer our investigation

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i mean we went all out

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and you'll see that uh

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some of the uh experiments we did were

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exciting

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they had a lot of equipment they were

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highly complex and they had some amazing

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any any time that we were up in the

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helicopter uh

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making measurements uh in the anomaly

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over the triangle uh because the results

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that we got from that is just beyond

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fascinating

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um and and of course the one where we

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had the thermal cameras observing

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homestead 2 when the rabbi did his

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uh ceremony to open up a portal to

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heaven and we saw the

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temperature vortex appear inside the

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homestead doorway so i you know but

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every every bit of it has been exciting

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i listened to your interview with george

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knapp on mystery wire just recently and

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you talked about the the time i believe

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in season one you'd opened up one of the

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the manholes essentially and got the

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symptoms of radiation poisoning

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was it did you find out exactly what it

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was you got was it radiation poisoning

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or was it an illness similar to

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radiation poisoning

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so uh all the symptoms according to two

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different doctors that i saw uh and

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myself you know looking at the

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everything i'd read about it is i had

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all the symptoms of radiation sickness

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it was when we were behind homestead 2

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opening up the cistern

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uh in the back there and

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you know my gamma ray detector went off

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and people standing right next to me

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theirs didn't so i don't know how that's

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possible and you know we had a team come

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in the next day

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uh to scour the entire ranch for you

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know radiation sources and nobody found

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anything with high-tech equipment that

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they use for the navy

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and uh so we can't explain what happened

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but what we can't explain is that

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something hit me it set off my geiger

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counter my personal dosimeter

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and then i had burn marks i had

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all of the other symptoms of dark

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discolored urine

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flu-like symptoms

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all of these things that are very

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indicative of radiation sickness that

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lasted for several days to a week

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we've heard recently more so from you

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mentioned colm keller and his book with

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james lickatsky and george knapp about

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you know skinwalker ranch awesome the

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the what went on several years before

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brandon fugal took over that other

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people have had exposure to the

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phenomena that has resulted in illness

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did anything like that ever cross your

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mind or did you have any conversations

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with people like colm

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you know we've talked with uh with them

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through either the phone or in person or

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on like zoom calls or something and in

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fact i talked with eric davis uh day

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before yesterday uh uh about some things

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and and it it seems to me that uh

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they had sort of different

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phenomenologies occur and different

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illnesses and and

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they never were exposed to radiation

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that eric seemed to think and that's

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and uh but i will tell you this colm

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kelleher told us from the very start

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that uh he wasn't going back out there

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and uh uh it was better us being there

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than him sort of thing

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now

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i also have heard from some other folks

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from the nids and bass team

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that

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generated some activity we maybe have we

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have poked the hornet's nest because we

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seem to be seeing a lot more activity

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than what they saw

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but they did see stuff and they and they

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were more passive uh than we've been and

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that might be part of it

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it seemed quite uncomfortable and quite

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scary for you when you started feeling

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those initial symptoms on camera and

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obviously on camera it lasts a few

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seconds but like you say for you it was

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days of not feeling well was there ever

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any moments throughout your time on the

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ranch where you've thought this is

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enough i need to get away from here and

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probably not go back

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oh that had that crossed my mind a few

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times over the few years and we'll have

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things that there there's this phenomena

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that we've noticed

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that the longer you're exposed to the

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ranch that you seem to become very

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more likely to be irritable and more

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likely to be exhausted

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mentally and emotionally

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and

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there are days when

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you feel like you just got to get away

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from the place and going and we don't

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know exactly why that is i think it has

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something to do possibly

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with the microwaves we keep detecting

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out there affecting our sleep patterns

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but i haven't proven that yet but that

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is my working hypothesis

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but i i remember one morning in season

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uh two

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where i got up and uh walked over to the

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guys and uh i said it was all i could do

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just to not get in my my car and drive

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the airport and go home this morning

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uh i mean that happens

329
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but we fight through it and we keep

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going and uh because there's something

331
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going on there that we just got to get

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to the bottom of

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and you've got an incredibly impressive

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cv you know between your academic

335
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achievements and your and your working

336
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life

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what do your colleagues say in those

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different backgrounds that know you work

339
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at the ranch and you you investigate at

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the ranch what are their opinions on it

341
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at first they thought i was nuts and

342
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that i would uh you know completely

343
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discredit myself for future work but now

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that they've seen

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the exhaustive in fact i had a colleague

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who who actually told me that i was nuts

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for going out there doing what i do

348
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uh before i went

349
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uh told me actually yesterday that he

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was extremely impressed by the

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exhaustive amount of scientific rigor

352
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that we've put into the effort and it's

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kind of helping change opinion i think

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in the culture uh and i think shows like

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skinwalker ranch ancient aliens you know

356
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those those types of shows are actually

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convincing the academic community that

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uh hey uh this is something that we need

359
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to look into

360
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there's no no such thing as fringe in in

361
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the scientific method if it's an unknown

362
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you're supposed to as a scientist

363
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investigate it with the scientific

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method and i think also with the all the

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uap stuff coming out uh from the

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pentagon

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is is really

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making people realize hey you know

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there's a possible whole field of

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science here that we have not been

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looking at for a long time seriously and

372
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it's time to get serious

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you mentioned them

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the uap task force report from the

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pentagon was one thing that they

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released and recently you were hired by

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radiance technologies which is a firm

378
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taking on classified work for the dod

379
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one of your colleagues is a certain john

380
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j stratton who was former head of the

381
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uap task force for the pentagon and i'm

382
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just wondering if your paths cross

383
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do you have conversations about

384
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skinwalker ranch and given his

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background you know what may or may not

386
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be going on now

387
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oh i i talk with jay every day jay is a

388
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good friend of mine i've known him for

389
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several years uh uh we've uh

390
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passed uh sort of uh war stories as

391
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you'd say and uh uh in fact his office

392
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in my office actually share a wall i

393
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mean we we work on i was in a meeting

394
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with him this morning and

395
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so we talk about these things all the

396
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time and you know he tells me some of

397
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the things that happened when when uh

398
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the previous work was done out there and

399
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and he's also extremely impressed with

400
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the fact that you know the technology is

401
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so much cheaper and more available for

402
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us than it was for bigelow's team so we

403
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have a an opportunity to do a lot more

404
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now at skinwalker ranch than bigelow's

405
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team ever did simply due to cost and

406
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availability

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and uh

408
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you know what effect it had with uh you

409
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know or what it stimulated for uh that

410
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era though i think was

411
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it was a hot spot for

412
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activity that made people take serious

413
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enough that they would start a program

414
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and and start go investigating these

415
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phenomena and i think it's going to

416
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continue

417
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brandon said himself on several

418
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occasions and brandon seems a man you

419
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have to take at face value and take his

420
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word that he didn't receive any

421
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documents from brandon fugo from robert

422
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bigelow sorry when they took over

423
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ownership of the ranch there was no

424
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exchange of information is that

425
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something you think would have helped or

426
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hindered your own investigations having

427
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that information

428
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well i have mixed feelings about it

429
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had they given us the information at

430
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least we might not have reinvented the

431
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wheel

432
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on some of the experiments they did

433
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but they mostly uh observed

434
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and

435
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the data they got

436
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why they

437
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,839
they won't release it to us

438
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,839
i i don't understand

439
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all of the details of that it may be

440
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that bigelow still thinks some of it is

441
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uh proprietary to him or the government

442
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owes him something for it or what i

443
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:53,279
don't know

444
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but

445
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anytime you start on a scientific

446
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,440
project that's part of the scientific

447
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,880
method actually the first step of the

448
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,959
scientific method is to do your homework

449
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,480
and read all the papers that's ever been

450
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:04,480
written about the topic

451
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and

452
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,919
so doing that it would have been nice to

453
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have had the previous experiments and

454
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data that was gathered from the bigelow

455
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work but i've never been able to see any

456
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of that he's it's never been released to

457
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:17,280
any of us

458
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,480
so

459
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we're basically starting over and i

460
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think we've done all right

461
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,280
obviously i've done more than okay the

462
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:26,959
the science on the ranch has been very

463
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interesting and it does translate well

464
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to a tv show because that can be a

465
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difficult thing to show scientific

466
00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:35,039
experiments on tv given the nature of

467
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what you're doing

468
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if you were put in charge of the ranch

469
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for a month and you know history channel

470
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gave you a sizeable budget what are some

471
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of the first things you would do you've

472
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mentioned digging but what else would

473
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,320
you do to really move forward those

474
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investigations yourself

475
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oh wow so if i had a

476
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ginormous budget so to speak yeah i

477
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would have uh

478
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i would pay

479
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for some infrared satellite imagery

480
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and detailed uh

481
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space imagery done of the area i would

482
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also

483
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probably set up an entire grid on every

484
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like one every square meter of the ranch

485
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have a a set of sensors that would be

486
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seismometry microwave magnetic

487
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gamma rays

488
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across the board you name it and have

489
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you have all that come into a major

490
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server system in the command center that

491
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we could continually run with artificial

492
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intelligence and machine learning

493
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looking through it for

494
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uh any types of anomalous data as well

495
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as i would have an array of cameras and

496
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radio telescopes and radar constantly

497
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sweeping the sky above it

498
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but all that stuff is expensive and the

499
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biggest thing even even if you had the

500
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equipment you gather so much data it

501
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,600
would take expensive uh computer systems

502
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and and and people running them to go

503
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:02,080
through all the data that's the problem

504
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,960
you know that the search for

505
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,559
extraterrestrial intelligence has had

506
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:06,720
for a long time they've gathered so much

507
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:08,799
data they can't go through all of it

508
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and and so uh that's kind of one of the

509
00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:14,080
things that uh uh we we've started uh

510
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live feeds on our website uh

511
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skinwalkerhyphenranch.com so that people

512
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can can go there and actually look and

513
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if they see something they can tell us

514
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hey we saw something at such and such

515
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time and we'll go back and look for and

516
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do to uh gather the data

517
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so it that's what i would do is just add

518
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a lot more sensors and a lot more

519
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,280
capabilities

520
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:35,600
interesting on a recent interview again

521
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with george knapp you mentioned that you

522
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had never seen a ufo until you got to

523
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skinwalker ranch now you've seen more

524
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:43,679
than you can count what's been the most

525
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,520
incredible of all your sightings and

526
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,160
experiences involving ufos

527
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:49,760
yeah so i'm not sure

528
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:52,320
which episodes have uh aired in the uk

529
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,360
this year uh so far no season three yet

530
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,799
just season one and two we've not got

531
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season three yet well you haven't got

532
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,440
season three

533
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:01,440
well then i'm not gonna spoil it for you

534
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,000
but the most exciting one that i've seen

535
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,559
uh occurred in season three

536
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,880
and uh i i think it's around episode

537
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:11,200
four or five i forget which one uh and

538
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,799
you'll see uh it's just an amazing uh uh

539
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,480
event that takes place

540
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:18,799
uh but in the previous season

541
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um in season two when i i actually was

542
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at home

543
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,320
and i was looking at my phone uh i was

544
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,840
actually going to show my son

545
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the the mesa through the cameras that i

546
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,640
can access through my phone

547
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and and i told him i said well well

548
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:35,760
let's look here and it looked like it

549
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,559
was lightning on the mesa and raining

550
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and i called eric uh who was there and

551
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,880
it was there it was a saturday and uh

552
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,720
and uh i said eric go out and look at

553
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,159
the mesa it's lightning just struck

554
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,919
right where we launched the rockets from

555
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,840
anyone it's not raining here there's no

556
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,679
lightning what are you talking about

557
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,039
so when i got back to the ranch on

558
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monday morning we went and looked at

559
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that time

560
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,120
exact time that i called him and we

561
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:01,440
found in multiple cameras looking in the

562
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:04,799
direction of the mesa a ufo that or that

563
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,440
flew in and and did some maneuvers and

564
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,440
took off at like a couple thousand miles

565
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,440
per hour and we'd have never looked

566
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,000
there had for that not been some weird

567
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,080
phenomena affecting my phone and the

568
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,400
server we never found

569
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,280
the video that i saw through my phone

570
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,640
where it was looked like there was a

571
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:25,200
storm on the mesa that is really bizarre

572
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,960
really weird but it was amazing

573
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:30,559
the ranch is probably the highest

574
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,520
profile spot on earth for this type of

575
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,440
activity and all the different types of

576
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:37,600
activity we hear about through you know

577
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,720
the ossat program bigelow calm kelleher

578
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,000
george knapp and others and now

579
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,360
yourselves

580
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,520
people must reach out to you from other

581
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:47,919
places around the world and say i live

582
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,840
here or i'm in the location where other

583
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,919
sorts of phenomena happen is there

584
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,600
anywhere else if there was a christmas

585
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,360
special of the show and you were told

586
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,120
you could head out on location that you

587
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,640
yourself would want to go with a camera

588
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:01,440
crew and maybe some equipment

589
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,240
oh absolutely there's several places uh

590
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,320
there you know like dulce new mexico

591
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,720
there's a spot up in upstate new york

592
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,880
there's a place out in arizona there's a

593
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,720
place in spain that seems to be a really

594
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,120
big hot spot i forget the the the city

595
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:18,000
there but we actually spoke to uh uh one

596
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,360
of the scientists that's working there

597
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,960
and they're seeing some of the same

598
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,200
things that we're seeing so uh there are

599
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,960
spots all around the world i think

600
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,039
there's one in italy uh

601
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,600
you know maybe uh there in the uk

602
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,000
somewhere like around stonehenge or or

603
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,600
some of the places like that there's

604
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,840
people see things all the time

605
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,960
and it would be really interesting to

606
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,640
take some of our equipment and see if we

607
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,559
get similar measurements as we've gotten

608
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,320
at skinwalker

609
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,559
what's your biggest regret so far in the

610
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,760
three years of your time in the ranch

611
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,760
wow biggest regret uh well there have

612
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:52,000
been several instances where

613
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,280
uh something has occurred and uh we only

614
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,760
had like one instrument or one camera

615
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,720
that was there and and it would fail for

616
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,120
whatever reason and uh we didn't have

617
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,720
enough equipment there to have captured

618
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,760
it then it would have been it was

619
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:08,000
amazing things and we kind of have this

620
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,799
uh

621
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,880
kind of saying that if we didn't capture

622
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,559
it on the sensors and on the cameras it

623
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,000
didn't happen right because nobody's

624
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,520
gonna it's just a ghost story at that

625
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,320
point

626
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:18,559
and we've had a few of those i really

627
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,520
the the night that we uh were cooking

628
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,600
out by my trailer and there was

629
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:25,360
something watching us and then we ended

630
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,799
up chasing it through

631
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,200
uh the weeds and the up the mason it

632
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,760
vanished uh the fact that we could see

633
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:33,760
us chasing around on the ranch in the

634
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,039
camera security cameras but never got a

635
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,360
an image of whatever this thing was

636
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:41,360
i i really regret that i wish we could

637
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,640
have gotten a picture of whatever this

638
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,919
thing was

639
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,840
and i have to ask to be fair what has

640
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:48,840
been your biggest success

641
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,080
ah well i would say our biggest success

642
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,400
uh well and you'll see more big

643
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,200
successes in season three uh but our

644
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:59,520
biggest success has been the fact that

645
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,320
uh

646
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,320
we've caught multiple

647
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:04,640
uh uh uap

648
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:09,039
ufos maybe uh uh on multiple cameras and

649
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,720
sensors at one time with scientific data

650
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:14,720
to back it up so that we can do analysis

651
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,640
and kind of uh

652
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,240
figure out what this thing is and i

653
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,159
think identifying that there is a

654
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,279
anomaly above the ranch uh at about a

655
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,840
mile high uh is really significant

656
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,200
because you know the

657
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,799
the bigelow team never even bothered to

658
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,720
look upward they only you know look

659
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:33,520
really on the on the surface uh and

660
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,320
around and we have been kind of

661
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:39,600
digging down and digging up so to speak

662
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,400
recently you attended the ufo symposium

663
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,880
and there were videos released to the

664
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,360
public shown some of them were previous

665
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,760
videos we had seen one was a newer video

666
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,840
and we got to hear some analysis it's

667
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,000
been relatively controversial analysis

668
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:56,159
and what the video may or may not show

669
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,279
what do you

670
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,200
want to say to the public in terms of

671
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,679
releasing footage as it's something from

672
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:03,279
a scientific point of view that really

673
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,200
needs time and study and extra data or

674
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,720
should should people be able to just

675
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,320
look at a piece of footage and take it

676
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,640
at face value that it may be something

677
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,880
anomalous but we don't know

678
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,720
a little bit of both you can't really

679
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,919
look at the at a video by itself without

680
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,480
doing very detailed analysis about every

681
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,480
single frame in the video

682
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,480
before you can say there's a really an

683
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,520
anomalous thing here uh and you also

684
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,240
can't throw out pieces of the video like

685
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,320
the audio from the pilots

686
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,679
like the uh uh the location of the thing

687
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,919
like any other information that comes

688
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,880
along with it uh you you can't throw

689
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,080
that out and there are a lot of people

690
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,400
that just ignore the audio uh from the

691
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:48,320
pilots they say well we're they're just

692
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,279
pilots they don't know what they're

693
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:52,000
saying or seeing and i think well that's

694
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,880
you know

695
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:55,120
we're paying these guys to sit behind uh

696
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,960
a high-tech piece of uh war equipment

697
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,640
and they got their finger on the trigger

698
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:01,840
and each time they pull the trigger

699
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,799
they're making a uh you know a

700
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,919
diplomacy a policy statement for

701
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,840
whatever country they're they're doing

702
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
that for and if we don't trust them to

703
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,000
look at something and realize it's not a

704
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:15,679
bird or a

705
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,120
or a balloon or an airplane then uh then

706
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,480
we got problems

707
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,080
in that case so you can't throw out the

708
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,000
testimony but at the same time

709
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,240
you do need to be

710
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:31,200
uh have some healthy skepticism but let

711
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:32,559
me tell you there's a difference in

712
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,559
scientific skepticism and skepticism

713
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,880
with a pre-planned agenda i mean if you

714
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,640
start from the beginning saying the

715
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,640
results of this is it's birds or it's a

716
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,000
weather balloon then you're going to

717
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,919
taint your your analysis

718
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,320
uh the same way you also can't uh say

719
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,320
i'm i'm sure this is a ufo and it's

720
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:52,320
going to change your analysis uh to get

721
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,520
there you've got to look at i don't know

722
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,880
what this is i'm going to do analysis

723
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,960
and see what it tells me what it is and

724
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,720
that's what you've got to do in this

725
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,039
kind of situation i'll tell you this the

726
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,360
the one video of the the three things

727
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,000
the helicopter uh saw was very

728
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,320
intriguing to me and with the pilots

729
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:09,600
saying they thought they were moving as

730
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,279
fast as f-16s uh really suggests uh that

731
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,520
it wasn't birds and it wasn't some

732
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,760
really mundane explanation

733
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,000
yeah i'm no expert but the one thing i

734
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,600
said was i'm sure the pilots can

735
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,159
identify a bird in the sky as opposed to

736
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:26,159
what may be a piece of technology so

737
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,520
i'll let the experts deal with the

738
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,520
analytics but for me that's i i'll

739
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,919
reserve my judgment on that one still

740
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,360
just before we get to some listener

741
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,360
questions travis i want to ask if

742
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,960
someone said tomorrow that it's the

743
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,880
final episode of skinwalker ranch we're

744
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,120
packing up you've got one last talking

745
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,960
head moment to sum up your time on the

746
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:45,200
show but also your best theory as to

747
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,840
what's happening what would that sound

748
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:49,840
like oh wow well certainly i hope that's

749
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,960
not going to happen because there's so

750
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,880
many questions to be answered there but

751
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,279
uh i i would say

752
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,440
thanks for the amazing opportunity to be

753
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,520
out there and see uh something that

754
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,120
really has changed the way i look at the

755
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,600
universe in the world and and life in

756
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,559
general

757
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:07,039
uh but i would also

758
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,840
uh

759
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,159
say that i haven't got an idea of what

760
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,640
could be causing such strange phenomena

761
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,600
uh or multiple phenomena or is it just

762
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,679
one thing i don't know if they're all

763
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,840
you know from the same source

764
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,960
uh

765
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,919
and i would say if i were to speculate

766
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,360
uh i could come up with all sorts of

767
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,440
science fiction and fantasy

768
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:29,760
answers that would range from a crashed

769
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:33,279
alien spacecraft going haywire to uh uh

770
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,080
you know

771
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:35,360
some sort of

772
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,320
uh

773
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,279
portal into a connected universe or you

774
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,880
know you could come up with all sorts of

775
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,799
science fiction scenarios

776
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,640
but i would say that we just don't have

777
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,720
enough data to tell you one which one of

778
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,399
those science fiction scenarios is more

779
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,559
likely than the other

780
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,399
to be fair i will say you did lead me

781
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,159
along in one of the episodes where you

782
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,000
drew what looked like a spacecraft when

783
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,159
it was the sonar readings of under the

784
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,559
ground and it had the shape and i don't

785
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,080
know if that was you allowing your brain

786
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,240
to to just lead you a little bit but it

787
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,240
certainly looked like a craft that you

788
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,159
sketched on the outlines but

789
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,440
i was just mapping the hot spots on the

790
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,520
return of the ground penetrating radar

791
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,080
and it did turn out sort of football

792
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,520
shape

793
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,640
that's american football not soccer

794
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,240
but uh

795
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,480
but it was uh

796
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,120
yeah it was odd and you know we've gone

797
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,960
back and dug down through there with the

798
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,520
you drilled again and and i'm not sure

799
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,799
that we found

800
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,039
uh any evidence that it's anything more

801
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,200
than a different a strange layer

802
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,480
of a more dense material now

803
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,480
that part being said wait till you see

804
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,080
what we pull out of the ground in season

805
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,760
three

806
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,679
well on that note we've got uh plenty of

807
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,520
listener questions for you to cover to

808
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,600
cover some more ground um half the

809
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,120
listeners that listen to the podcast are

810
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,279
based in the u.s so many of them are i

811
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,679
believe four four episodes and as of

812
00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:00,159
this evening when this this one goes out

813
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,840
and the first question from tim says

814
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,080
travis i'm a big fan have you any

815
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,760
theories you can share unless it

816
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,360
conflicts with the show's wishes until

817
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:09,919
it finishes airing as to the origin of

818
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,960
the 1.6 gigahertz frequencies i've read

819
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,480
all sorts of bits about it being

820
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,200
possible us air force and gps but i'm

821
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:18,880
open to any of it

822
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,360
yeah no it's not gps gps is at 1.575

823
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,279
and you know out several other decimal

824
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:27,039
places and it would have to have a

825
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,480
significant

826
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,480
doppler blue shift for it to be at the

827
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,000
1.61

828
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:33,919
ish that we're measuring

829
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,360
i have some ideas about what

830
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,840
if it actually means anything for the

831
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,600
frequency it's at

832
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,440
but that's to come

833
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,320
uh we haven't found the source we've

834
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,440
triangulated with multiple systems and

835
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,960
never been able to find where it's

836
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,320
coming from it seems to be coming from

837
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,520
everywhere

838
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,559
uh the 1.6 gigahertz is bizarre and

839
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,200
fascinating and we have seen it uh

840
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,559
actually move around the central 1.6

841
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,279
gigahertz in a in a way that

842
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,720
looks like it might be

843
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:10,000
being modulated uh in a way to send

844
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,200
information

845
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,360
uh we don't know what they have never i

846
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:14,559
haven't been able to decode it or

847
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:16,640
anything yet and it's not a standard

848
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,080
encryption that or or a waveform

849
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,320
encoding that we normally use so i don't

850
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,240
know what it could be

851
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,480
it is important because it seems to

852
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,399
happen a lot of times when we have

853
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,640
phenomena occur

854
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,640
could it be something that somebody is

855
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,480
hiding behind a tree and eavesdropping

856
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,000
on us with a thing

857
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,360
i doubt it

858
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,440
but until we find if look behind every

859
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,480
tree i can't 100 guarantee that

860
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,399
a little bit of a follow-up on that one

861
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,039
is from paul markham and paul asks is

862
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,200
there any chance the 1.6 gigahertz

863
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,519
signal and voice echoing back to you in

864
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,080
a recent episode could be caused by you

865
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,840
tapping into a government or private

866
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,159
satellite surveillance system

867
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,080
a lot of people have asked that question

868
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:01,760
uh actually they thought maybe we were

869
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,880
hitting the uh the uh um iridium

870
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,640
satellites or or something like that but

871
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:09,039
we've looked into that uh it would take

872
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,120
a lot more gain than what anything we're

873
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,440
producing and uh

874
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,679
and and if somebody were

875
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,159
looking at us with a satellite

876
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,720
and they were illuminating us uh with

877
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:23,600
this they would be illuminating a large

878
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,360
spot of the uinta basin as well so that

879
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,519
it doesn't really fit the math on and

880
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,200
the orbital mechanics for it to be a

881
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,679
satellite possibly could be an airplane

882
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,760
or something but we'd see the airplane

883
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,440
we're constantly looking at the skies

884
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,640
and we've got uh radar systems the adsb

885
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,799
and all that looking at air traffic

886
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,039
so i don't know is it we're not sure

887
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,679
what this 1.6 gigahertz

888
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,760
phenomena is

889
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:52,480
it could still be a man-made solution

890
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,360
but

891
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,039
it seems to be happening in such a

892
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,799
strange way that we can't seem to find

893
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,159
the source

894
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,320
our next question is from adam he says

895
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,039
hi travis do you feel you and the team

896
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,840
are being toyed with by whatever it is

897
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,840
or are you starting to understand or

898
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,679
develop understanding of trends and

899
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,080
characteristics or maybe a baseline of

900
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,960
data you can understand

901
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:16,720
so

902
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,240
trickster god playing with us like loki

903
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,720
is standing behind the the curtain

904
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,440
manipulating things but uh and being

905
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,399
very random and uh purposefully random

906
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,080
but um

907
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,760
we haven't been able to

908
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,720
to

909
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,720
figure that part of it out i will say

910
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,799
that the more data we gather we do feel

911
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,559
like that we

912
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,880
know that these kinds of things happen

913
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,480
but we can never say this is going to

914
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,559
happen when we do this because a lot of

915
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,159
times we'll do something

916
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,600
we'll get a response we'll do the same

917
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,559
thing we'll get a completely different

918
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,720
response so

919
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,840
yeah i'd say we have more data is all we

920
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,679
can say we're not much better at

921
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,919
understanding what's causing it

922
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,640
a question from walker he asks just

923
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,640
wanted to establish if travis is

924
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,880
convinced this could be non-human did

925
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,200
you ever experience any ontological

926
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,919
shock after that realization and as a

927
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,760
scientist i assume travis is facts

928
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,079
driven just wondering how he relies on

929
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,560
his intuition and if so have those

930
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:18,480
intuitive impulses increased or

931
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,710
um i have hunches that i think are uh

932
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,639
a lot of times they come to me after

933
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,240
i've actually been asleep because i

934
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,000
think my brain is processing all the

935
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,720
data that i've seen the day before but i

936
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,599
really don't uh follow

937
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,240
like an intuition or something sometimes

938
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,000
i will take a shot in the dark because

939
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,399
i'm at a loss for what's happening

940
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:49,349
my

941
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,240
really changed i still go at it with the

942
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,040
scientific method uh and with logic but

943
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,440
sometimes i will

944
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,240
you know try a hair brain hypothesis or

945
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,280
something that

946
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,599
other folks might say is crazy or fringe

947
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,520
or something just to see if a stimulus

948
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,000
occurs because we really honestly don't

949
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,400
know what's going on and we're just

950
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,160
gathering more data

951
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,800
a question from gary does dr taylor have

952
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,640
any thoughts on why the carcasses of

953
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,880
mutilated cattle are left on the ranch

954
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,359
and not removed by the perpetrators who

955
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,760
or whatever they might be

956
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,720
no that's a really good question um

957
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,040
and that's kind of the the trend with

958
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,320
most cattle mutilation phenomena is that

959
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,160
for some reason they take a few things

960
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,839
from the cow but leave the rest of the

961
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,240
cow and i can't explain what that's

962
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,160
about i will tell you i've seen several

963
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,560
i've flown around and seen some right

964
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,480
after it's occurred and there's never

965
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,680
any blood

966
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,240
and there's always uh stuff missing and

967
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,320
the cow seems to

968
00:36:03,069 --> 00:35:59,760
not be attacked by the uh predators and

969
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,079
the carnivores and even the the uh the

970
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,280
microbiology that seems to and the

971
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,440
insects that seem to eat away at

972
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,680
carcasses doesn't affect these things

973
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,800
now we'll tell you i have seen uh where

974
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,200
a friend of mine had a cattle ranch and

975
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,200
they had some get struck by lightning

976
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,200
and that the predators and carnivores

977
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,880
wouldn't have wouldn't eat those cows

978
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,839
either

979
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,520
that were killed by lightning so it

980
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,720
makes me wonder if there's an

981
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,440
electromagnetic phenomena uh that as

982
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,160
that's part of this and as much magnetic

983
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,000
and electromagnetic stuff we see out

984
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,240
there it wouldn't surprise me

985
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,480
that's interesting kimberly asks and

986
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,839
kimberly's been a long time listener to

987
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,160
the podcast so hi kimberly um if you get

988
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,400
a chance can you ask travis what event

989
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,160
has been the most mind-blowing moment

990
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,000
for him at the ranch

991
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,599
oh wow

992
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:49,520
um

993
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,480
well

994
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,480
the most mind-blowing actually would be

995
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,599
a spoiler for anybody in the uk so i

996
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,320
would hate to do that to you

997
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,720
but uh it's it's one where something

998
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,920
happened to eric and i sort of

999
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,760
simultaneously and we were in different

1000
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,359
locations and we both came to each other

1001
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,040
to tell each other the story and our

1002
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,960
stories were the same which led us to a

1003
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:10,240
discovery

1004
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,800
the other one is i i have no idea

1005
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,119
how i was exposed to radiation

1006
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,520
there's no there's no uh there's nothing

1007
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,200
there i mean

1008
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,320
something uh hit me with a beam of gamma

1009
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,320
rays and there were people within 10

1010
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,640
feet from me that didn't get hit by the

1011
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,359
gamma rays and that's not typically how

1012
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,119
gamma rays work so

1013
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,960
that is baffling and mind-blowing to me

1014
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,800
and i can't explain it

1015
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,800
next question from melanie and i suppose

1016
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,800
this is one for myself who's not a

1017
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,599
scientist obviously um melanie wonders

1018
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:45,359
how do you call what you're doing at the

1019
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,400
ranch science when there are no controls

1020
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,800
or repeatable experiments with the same

1021
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:53,119
or different results and also do you

1022
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,200
know if the insider application will

1023
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:56,560
have the actual data that's being

1024
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,079
collected

1025
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,800
ah well so um

1026
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,000
i'll go backwards with that one the

1027
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:04,880
insider uh thing we are showing uh some

1028
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:06,720
of the data we actually are showing some

1029
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,200
feeds live real time and as i get time i

1030
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,880
know eric is already doing this he's

1031
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,160
going through stuff and talking about

1032
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:16,079
experiments with folks on there but i i

1033
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,440
plan to

1034
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,839
actually give some presentations of some

1035
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,800
of the data and some of my analyses

1036
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,880
but it's just a matter of having time to

1037
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,920
do it

1038
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:28,160
then the other part is how do we call it

1039
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:31,680
science well so we are repeating our

1040
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,640
experimental processes just because we

1041
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,960
don't get the same results doesn't mean

1042
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,200
it's not science it means that

1043
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,440
our either our hypothesis was wrong or

1044
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,599
our experimental apparatus wasn't

1045
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:44,880
necessarily the right experimental

1046
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,760
apparatus sooner or later we'll find

1047
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,839
something that's repeatable verifiable

1048
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,839
or falsifiable and that's one of the

1049
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,000
things i really harp on

1050
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,680
is that you have to come up with

1051
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,200
hypotheses

1052
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,400
that you can verify or falsify and you

1053
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,400
don't have big hypotheses like you asked

1054
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,400
me earlier what what is it i said well i

1055
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,400
can't just say well it's aliens causing

1056
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,720
this because you can't verify that what

1057
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,320
experiment could you do

1058
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:11,920
that you could prove that it was aliens

1059
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,760
doing unless you found an alien or an

1060
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:15,280
alien came to you that you couldn't but

1061
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,079
what you can say is okay well data

1062
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,800
suggests that when weird phenomena occur

1063
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,800
across multiple types of phenomena that

1064
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,280
we measure microwave signals or gamma

1065
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,160
rays or weird sounds so we can put out

1066
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,240
instruments to see if this occurs and we

1067
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,520
have found that is repeatable probably

1068
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,280
80 to 90 percent of the time when

1069
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,920
phenomena occurs we measure this 1.6

1070
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,640
gigahertz microwave system so we are

1071
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,240
actually doing science and finding

1072
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,359
repeatable uh results so we're doing

1073
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,920
small steps though and we're not we're i

1074
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,520
think we're a long way from that it's a

1075
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,240
it's a portal to another dimension thing

1076
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,720
maybe season four um last couple of

1077
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,040
questions uh travis um in your george

1078
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,800
knapp interview you mentioned that blood

1079
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,359
pressure or add medication could affect

1080
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,520
people's ability to perceive anomalous

1081
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,520
activity on the ranch

1082
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,200
do you suspect that those people are

1083
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,040
more susceptible to having strange

1084
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,400
experiences

1085
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,480
or do the medications potentially

1086
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,400
interfere with the ability to perceive

1087
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,480
yeah so it's the latter uh so there are

1088
00:40:21,309 --> 00:40:18,640
some studies that have recently

1089
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,319
been done by folks studying uh

1090
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,880
hallucinations

1091
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,240
and

1092
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,240
using

1093
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,720
hallucinogenic drugs and sensory

1094
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:31,680
deprivation tanks as well as coma

1095
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,119
patients and so on and it appears that

1096
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,280
the data is now beginning to show us

1097
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,599
that the hallucinations occur when

1098
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:41,920
there's less brain activity

1099
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,200
and so maybe these are stimulus that

1100
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,599
are out there in the environment but our

1101
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,040
hyper active brains uh aren't detecting

1102
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,079
it because uh it's too big of a noise

1103
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,400
floor and so when you are in a coma

1104
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:59,359
state a meditative state or these drugs

1105
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,319
they lower your uh uh your brain

1106
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,240
activity and you will have these types

1107
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,800
of connections hallucinations whatever

1108
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,880
and the add blood pressure medicines and

1109
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,119
things like that are they they actually

1110
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,680
may hype up your brain activity and so

1111
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,280
they may actually act as sort of a

1112
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:17,680
buffer or a protection uh you know like

1113
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:20,240
nicotine caffeine things like that may

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00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,200
actually

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00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,079
prevent uh some people from seeing or

1116
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,040
are experiencing these things

1117
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,280
um javacat asks have you ever

1118
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,359
experienced or anyone close to you any

1119
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,119
hitchhiker activity since you started

1120
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,119
your investigations

1121
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,880
yeah we uh

1122
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,960
everybody like is real curious yes the

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00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,319
answer is yes

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00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,680
and uh in

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00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,280
in the risk of

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00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,040
stimulating whatever we don't know why

1127
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,040
it happens or what it is but we don't

1128
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,800
talk about it a lot

1129
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,800
uh because uh we don't want it to get

1130
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,839
worse

1131
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,440
uh there have been people who've had it

1132
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,880
so bad that's really affected their

1133
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,640
family life and so on

1134
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,520
um

1135
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,400
but we all uh except for dragon nothing

1136
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,800
happens to him he's like our repellent

1137
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,599
um but uh uh all of us have had things

1138
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:06,720
like our

1139
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,079
our car electronics uh going on and off

1140
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,480
blowing out and coming back on batteries

1141
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,800
being drained uh

1142
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,440
strange seeing weird things where there

1143
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,599
shouldn't be weird things uh and stuff

1144
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,160
like that keep in mind i live in alabama

1145
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,280
that's a long way from utah and uh and

1146
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:26,800
if i have these events happening to me

1147
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,760
it means it's non-local it means it it

1148
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:32,400
it's connected across space and time

1149
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,599
somehow

1150
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,599
and final question from barry on that

1151
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,440
hitchhiker effect what are your thoughts

1152
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:39,839
on the hypothesis that that it can

1153
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,359
spread to other people like a contagion

1154
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:45,920
i've seen some data and heard heard uh

1155
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:49,440
anecdotal stories about that being true

1156
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:50,400
um

1157
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,760
i don't know that it is true uh 100

1158
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,880
although

1159
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,440
i have heard some significant stories

1160
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,480
and seen some instrument data uh from

1161
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,960
one of the particular subjects and his

1162
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,599
family that seems to be

1163
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,520
seems to be backing that up that it

1164
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,079
could be possible i know gary nolan i

1165
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:14,000
think has done some research in that uh

1166
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,280
so you might look him up and read

1167
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:17,440
whatever he's done about it but i it's

1168
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:18,319
it's

1169
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,160
evidence is beginning to suggest to me

1170
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,240
that that is what's happening so it kind

1171
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:26,160
of it kind of makes me think about it a

1172
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,960
little bit because i don't want it to

1173
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,119
happen in my family either

1174
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,720
dr taylor you've been wonderful

1175
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,560
wonderful with your time i just want to

1176
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,560
remind viewers and listeners that you

1177
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,560
can watch skinwalker ranch on tuesdays

1178
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,800
on the history channel in the us that's

1179
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,720
through to the season finale on july

1180
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,280
12th at 9 00 pm eastern you can work out

1181
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,040
the rest of the times for yourself and

1182
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,359
look for a start date to air in the uk

1183
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,920
in a couple of months time again uh dr

1184
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:51,839
taylor thank you very much for your time

1185
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,960
thank you very much that is all for this

1186
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,640
week's show thank you very much for

1187
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,560
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1188
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,359
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1189
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,079
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00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,240
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00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,160
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00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,680
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00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,560
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00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,760
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1198
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:25,839
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00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:28,420
up you never know what you might see

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it an issue i don't think he expected

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1202
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:06,470
i can't imagine how it could have been

1203
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:27,030
there was something on my head and

1204
00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:31,910
noise they thought it was everything

1205
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:44,330
[Music]

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00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:59,830
and what's that

1207
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:04,150
[Music]

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:38,500
saucer

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